No, that didn't help much! LOL I think a picture would help me better but it seems this is a new one on me

I have an RHS gardening book for growing my vegetables and fruit

I agree that fruit and veg is cheap so why bother growing, however, I enjoy it and get pleasure from it so I continue to grow, strawberries and raspberries, however, are not cheaper to buy than they are to grow and I have found many fruits like this so I am leaning towards fruit these days than vegetables, tomatoes are the same, so easy to grow so why not

I have never had much success with potatoes, carrots, cauliflowers and cabbages anyway so I think I will give up and stick to my raspberries, nectarines, strawberries, kiwis, oranges and lemons

The first year I tried carrots they were a failure because I planted them in too good a soil and they should have gone into my crappy ground with stones and sand so I know for the future but this season I have not planted much in terms of vegetables, the cabbages I did have, are taken by caterpillas and I have decided to let them eat away

We are strange gardeners like that, we share our food with the birds and insects - we must be nuts LOL!
Simone